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Post by oompa loompa on Feb 17, 2005 13:45:07 GMT -5
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! What is this? I don't know x.x, details to come on the 19th
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Post by Tulio Adriano on Feb 18, 2005 17:34:36 GMT -5
Oh sheet! I'll be on vacations from today on, I will travel to the beach and I'll have no internet access... So many mistery... I'll try to cancel my trip. I hope there is a "lan-house" on there... ;D
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Post by oompa loompa on Feb 21, 2005 21:36:22 GMT -5
sorry for the lack of not responding x.x the event was going to be announced on the 19th, but won't even start until the middle of june, right in time for summer. so, there'll still be lots of time, and it may be too early to announce it 0.o okay, now for what it actually is....................... i'll be selling exactly 100 homebrew sega genesis cartridges - 4 megabit rom, 8 kilobytes of save memory, case included, and they will also work for the 32x. i'll be selling some of my games, and i'll also sell games for people (jou pay me for how many carts you want, customers give you the money to buy your carts and i ship to your customers). i'm hoping that around the end of may, more people will be getting to develop more games, since more releases will be coming out from me (new basiegaxorz, 32x c compiler, sega quick adventure), and also others. better thing is, all carts will be $5.00 w/o shipping. when i run out of 100 carts, that will be it, no more carts, so you'll have to wait for next year XD i might change the manufacturing of the carts though and sell flash carts instead, but if i do that, the prices are going to be a "wee bit" higher, and i will only sell to developers only, not people that want to play their rom collection (no exceptions, and you'll also have to prove you're developing) also, i'm thinking about letting atariage do all the business too, but i dunno, they probably want to make their profit too, and would charge a little more for the carts (and plus, atariage=atari ). i'm a perfectionist as ya all know =P, i gotta have things done my way without the overhead, and also (some modesty here) i'm not going to advertise these carts, since i'll only be getting so many, and i'm predicting they'll go fast anyways since everyone else will be telling their friends about these carts too (right? ;D) also, another thing (this is about shipping) is that i don't like filling out customs forms, and i don't like shipping internationally unless i really have to (sucks because a lot of people here don't live in the US), which is why atariage would be a plus cause they'd do all the shipping edit: note - all this info is tentative. things could change very fast once i get my hands on these carts (which won't be for a while), and also i am still open for suggestions, which is the point of this thread
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Post by FonzieV on Feb 22, 2005 12:56:10 GMT -5
Cool... I met (on internet) the cool guy from tototek... Is that him who manufacturate the carts? "4 megabit mask rom" = 512KB right? Thats enough to make a cool game i think héhé... " case included" OMG OMG, new plastic case and boxes? ------------- To my humble opinion, we should create a label and a new line of software standards... cause it should be cool to see ONLY finished games burned on carts (or several demos in one cart)... You see? Cause its better to see only 5 NEW COMPLETE games per year than 20 uncomplete games with a new revision each year... Thats very exciting... Thx a lot devster!
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Post by FonzieV on Feb 22, 2005 13:01:40 GMT -5
And, yes, it should be cool to centralize all in one place (making a big store with all products available)... Maybe someone would be very happy to manage this stuff... =| =P =| =P =| =P
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Post by oompa loompa on Feb 22, 2005 20:38:44 GMT -5
Nope, they are not from tototek =P
woops, excuse me for my innapropriate usage of terminology. I said mask rom before, but they are actually just plain roms because i will be the one to burn the images on the carts. I dunno what i was on when i typed that up, i have already editted the post heavily
i just wanna ramble on here because i just feel like typing: anyways, the difference between mask roms and plain roms are that mask roms are fabricated with the rom image already on the wafer, so no fusing of the bits are necessary to program it, like otp proms. mask roms are usually made by the 1000's, since semiconductor fabs don't want to do small runs. more of the popular carts use mask rom, and some games like "bible hunter" use otp proms
you're right, 4 megabits is 512 kilobytes which is gonna be plenty, including an 8 kilobyte sram with a good battery
yesiree, case included, so you don't have to fiddle with the cartridge acceptor when inserting a circuit board. sorry, no boxes will be included. maybe i can find exactly 100 older cases from blockbuster, that are used to store the genesis games when people rent them out ;D
agreed. i will post details in the future on how games should meet standards, like even being worthy to be sold, or meeting legal or approprate criteria (no pron, etc). i won't be very strict on the quality of carts, since i know not many can program an earthworm jim, or sonic 2. also, i'm serving as the middle-man for distributing the carts. i dunno how many people out there want to buy something like 2 player tic-tac-toe, so time should be spent in the software depertment on actually making the games, which was one point i made on the sega programming net boards. i'm not trying to be a nazi about this, this is all totally for fun and i want everyone to participate. i mean c'mon, whacha want for $5 =P? a lot more details to come later, it is still very early, but i wanna give the software people a heads up
more importantly, i wanna see more people getting into developing games for the sega genesis because that's all that matters to me =P, not the cartridges
np ;D
yea, i might need to go out for a head hunt to look for someone to actually manage this, but that means that they'll be putting their time and money (maybe not money, i will provide a >>temporary<< host) to manage sales with programmers and whatever, and then put their carts for sale on a central site.
my initial procedure was just to sell some very few of my carts (no more than 5, i'll probably sell these for $1.00 just to start a reputation that i am trustworthy =D and that its for real) to the people using like a "market place" on these boards, which is no problem because 5 carts is easy. then for the rest, i just planned to let programmers buy 1-5 of them, and then get people to buy their carts by giving the programmers the money, and then i ship. this allows me to not worry anything on how the programmers will advertise, promote, and do their transactions, whatever
more details will come later, these are just ideas that are being presented
btw, surprisingly, i already got an email from someone that is trying to make a deal to reserve 20 carts. pleeeease, don't make any deals with me yet x.x
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Post by Kaneda on Feb 23, 2005 4:07:42 GMT -5
yepeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!!!!
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Post by FonzieV on Feb 23, 2005 5:40:29 GMT -5
"used to store the genesis games when people rent them out" Wha? Youre destroying existing games? ;D Maybe we should start to find someone who can really produce NEW plastic cases cause it's annoying to have to destroy old games + new plastic cases don't have stickers so you don't have to dissolve the old one with whitespirit or so... "(maybe not money, i will provide a >>temporary<< host)" Well, just look @ www.genny4ever.net, i have 60MB here with mysql/php, i can try to make a subdomain (it might be possible finaly) like store.genny4ever.net "since i know not many can program an earthworm jim, or sonic 2." Yeah, but a vectorman or a street of rage is possible i think For the porn things, i think you should allow, maybe some people will make some cool QTE games héhéhé. " this allows me to not worry anything on how the programmers will advertise, promote, and do their transactions," Yes, it's a problem in fact... Cause, in all case, someone will make the *big* stuff (Program the rom, stick the cartridge label, send by snail mail to the *store* or *people*)... If i were near your town, we should have created a 'association of people' (dont know if its the same word in english). Cause in association, the work is divided, everybody encourage the others and it's not boring....
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Post by oompa loompa on Feb 23, 2005 14:50:00 GMT -5
"used to store the genesis games when people rent them out" Wha? Youre destroying existing games? ;D Maybe we should start to find someone who can really produce NEW plastic cases cause it's annoying to have to destroy old games + new plastic cases don't have stickers so you don't have to dissolve the old one with whitespirit or so... nono, i meant the plastic boxes, not the actual cartridge itself. you know, back in the days when you go to a rental store, and you were going to rent a snes game, they'd have special boxes produced by themselves to distribute the games. i think they'd toss the old boxes that sega gave them, away. btw, i don't think anyone cares if they have the box for the game or not =P, so i'd just forget about that idea okay, i'll think about it. just a reminder, i don't care about selling the carts to the public, i only care about selling them to the programmers. the programmers, or their "group" will have to sell their carts on their own. there's a lot of other compluications to consider too, and nothing's happening right now, so there's still excess room for change. i could sell the carts for the programmers myself, and then give them their share, or i can let fonzie do it all and get me programmers for me to sell the carts to, i dunno yet no, absolutely nothing innapropriate. i know its not as severe as something like you publish on the web, but i do not want to get any phone calls from angry parents because someone programed some gangster game where you have sex with hookers (just as bad as gta vice city), and sold it to some 11 year old kid. even with a disclaimer, i still prohibit it uhm, i really don't understand whacha mean =P. do you mean that its a difficulty to distibute the carts, or do you mean that it'll be hard to manage? remember, there are only 100 carts =D. also, i won't be in school, i'll be working so i will have plenty of free time =P association, like a small business, for example: atariage? i really dunno because the Devsterama is only going to last for like two months, or whenever i run out of 100 carts, whichever comes first =P, but it'd still be cool to continue it longer throughout the year =)
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Post by Tom Maneiro on Feb 23, 2005 19:41:41 GMT -5
1) How i can upload a ROM to these carts? Any choice to plug the cart with a cable to my PC? (yes, i'm a n00b here)
2) Will ship one cart to Venezuela???
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Post by oompa loompa on Feb 23, 2005 20:44:02 GMT -5
1) How i can upload a ROM to these carts? Any choice to plug the cart with a cable to my PC? (yes, i'm a n00b here) 2) Will ship one cart to Venezuela??? buyers of these carts don't need to program anything. i will do all the programming for you, before you even get the cartridge and yes, i shall ship international
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Post by Tom Maneiro on Feb 24, 2005 19:42:42 GMT -5
hmmm.. so i pay for a pre-burned cart. Nice.
How much will cost S&H to my country?
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Post by oompa loompa on Feb 28, 2005 1:38:28 GMT -5
i cannot give you a cost for shipping and handling at this time
some good news+bad news
bad news: there are not enough funds to go for what i have planned due to a competition i gotta put out for. features will have to be cut down on the parts, i.e.: no case, or no backup memory, or decrease the size of roms
good news: cart prices may be cheaper
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Post by Kaneda on Mar 7, 2005 17:18:56 GMT -5
I was looking at memory price.... chip in TSOP package are really cheap!! 8M bit(1M x 8bit) Flash 120pcs for 40$ while DIP package are 15$ for 15pcs of 4M...erased, not new! it's awesome!!! I think TSOP are impossible to mount manualy ?
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Post by oompa loompa on Mar 7, 2005 20:28:11 GMT -5
8mbit tsops, quantity 120 for $40? where'd you find this? =D
=) are these 16 bit eproms, or are they yer usual 8 bit?
also, about the devsterama, i'm canceling it. reason for this is i've found other interests, and am starting to back away from sega genesis dev =), so i'm lacking in the funds, and don't wanna take the time (shipping 100 frickin carts!!! some even international x.x) to get this done
but if an opportunity comes around again, i'll probably won't announce it, and will just privatelly invite developers to sell their games
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