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Post by GiGaBiTe on Jun 25, 2010 22:38:30 GMT -5
I have a Retail CD version from 1996 \o/ 'Twas from before Duke was banned in Brazil in 1999. FEELS REBEL, MAN It runs OK on my Pentium (hell, it's a 233mhz), though not on high resolutions (I think 320x200? I can't remember now, and it's been some time since it's off, I need to find a desk for it) A P233 should be more than enough to run Duke in VESA resolutions. I used to run Duke on my P200 MMX at 1024x768 and got smooth framerates. It shouldn't really matter what kind of video card you have because VESA didn't have any mechanism to assist with pseudo 3D graphics, it was all handed to the CPU.
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Post by Syniphas on Jun 27, 2010 22:09:34 GMT -5
Then I don't know why, but I definitely can't get it to run well at high resolutions.
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Post by Tom Maneiro on Jun 28, 2010 3:35:33 GMT -5
Some video cards are authentic shit (mostly obscure brands with broken VESA BIOS). And there are the ocassional PCs that are pure evil doom, no matter the actual speed.
Heh, it reminds when i performed benchmarks on my ancient Celeron 700: in some tests, even a Pentium II 350 was MUCH better (according with the benchmarking apps). That machine performed notoriously BAD on almost everything (it was on a PCCHIPS M755 board - those boards are absolute crap, save very few exceptions)
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Post by GiGaBiTe on Jun 28, 2010 7:04:06 GMT -5
A Celeron 700 should be faster in pretty much every respect over a PII 350. I'd blame the PCCHIPS motherboard, it probably had some shitty knockoff NB/SB or was bottom of the barrel shit parts slowing everything down.
I have a PCCHIPS 486 board and it has a fake cache slot, fake cache chips on the motherboard (they're plastic with leads stuck in them) and a ripoff of a UMC NB/SB.
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Post by Tom Maneiro on Jun 28, 2010 13:26:28 GMT -5
The chipset on that PCCHIPS was a single-chip SiS 630... and fake leaky low-ESR caps Since that day, for me, SiS = Silicon Integrated Shit. No matter how much RAM you would put there, it will always be SLOW. Overclocking is a big bold NO. They were hopeless with anything over 800MHz. BIOS updates actually KILLED features! (what's this, a Sony product?). And with a Celeron with its asstastic 66MHz bus, it made things even worse. But on the other side, my M538 (with GENUINE Intel 430VX/PIIX3 chipset) is rock-solid. Not a Lamborghini in terms of performance, but it's stable. My advice? If you want to be a penny-pincher and absolutely want a PCShit board, at least try to get one with a non-fake Intel chipset.
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Post by Syniphas on Jun 29, 2010 14:00:11 GMT -5
haha oh man tales of the obscure chipsets
I don't know if it could be my motherboard, no idea how to test it or anything, but hey, it runs Duke at some resolution. That's something.
Also, if it was the motherboard that shat on my SB16, then I'll be pissed.
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Post by Tom Maneiro on Jun 29, 2010 15:36:47 GMT -5
May i talk about the obscure case on my 386 where the I/O ports between my AWE64 and my SCSI controller were clashing... and Windows was sending audio data to the SCSI card? Ah, the joy of mixing PnP and non-Pnp gizmos on the same motherboard
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Post by GiGaBiTe on Jun 29, 2010 21:05:36 GMT -5
May i talk about the obscure case on my 386 where the I/O ports between my AWE64 and my SCSI controller were clashing... and Windows was sending audio data to the SCSI card? Ah, the joy of mixing PnP and non-Pnp gizmos on the same motherboard Considering the 386 was around waaaaay before PnP was ever invented for the ISA bus, it's not surprising
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Post by oompa loompa on Jul 8, 2010 21:52:00 GMT -5
Also, if it was the motherboard that shat on my SB16, then I'll be pissed. So which soundcard do you want ? Attachments:
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Post by Tom Maneiro on Jul 8, 2010 22:31:03 GMT -5
May i have a couple of Lives with fries? And a Happy Meal with AWEsomeness Hunting on MercadoLibre Venezuela, SB's are rare: right now there is a complete AWE64 Gold with box, CDs and cables for dirt cheap, though Also, USED Lives and Audigys tend to go for big money over here for JUST THE BARE CARD - no drivers, no nada! (better let's not talk about the X-Fi!). And don't bother looking for anything below AWE64, not even original SB16s... But if you want some cheap no-name clones... - ISA: ESS/Crystal shit. Don't bother. - PCI: C-Media 8738 (not so shitty, this crap can do 5.1 and possibly but no HWMIX) On my stash i have an ISA ESS something from a Compaq box, an ISA Analog Devices SoundPort thingy, an overly noisy ISA Crystal CX4237Q (or something like that), and a PCI SB128 (actually a Ensoniq AudioPCI in disguise, from the Creative takeover) that used to be in a trashcan... but surprisingly IT WORKS! PROTIP: Keep an eye on your nearest trashcan, specially if you live near of a cybercafe or something like that May we remind why we still love Creative?
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Post by Syniphas on Jul 9, 2010 12:56:36 GMT -5
Also, if it was the motherboard that shat on my SB16, then I'll be pissed. So which soundcard do you want ? holy sfhsdfsh
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Post by Tiido on Jul 9, 2010 13:08:38 GMT -5
I ran Duke3D in 800x600 on my P166, i had a PCI Ati Mach64 in it with 2Mbytes of VRAM. 1024x768 got way too slow (10FPS....) but lower resolutions were quite ok.
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Post by oompa loompa on Jul 9, 2010 21:00:13 GMT -5
May i have a couple of Lives with fries? And a Happy Meal with AWEsomeness Hunting on MercadoLibre Venezuela, SB's are rare: right now there is a complete AWE64 Gold with box, CDs and cables for dirt cheap, though Also, USED Lives and Audigys tend to go for big money over here for JUST THE BARE CARD - no drivers, no nada! (better let's not talk about the X-Fi!). And don't bother looking for anything below AWE64, not even original SB16s... But if you want some cheap no-name clones... - ISA: ESS/Crystal shit. Don't bother. - PCI: C-Media 8738 (not so shitty, this crap can do 5.1 and possibly but no HWMIX) On my stash i have an ISA ESS something from a Compaq box, an ISA Analog Devices SoundPort thingy, an overly noisy ISA Crystal CX4237Q (or something like that), and a PCI SB128 (actually a Ensoniq AudioPCI in disguise, from the Creative takeover) that used to be in a trashcan... but surprisingly IT WORKS! PROTIP: Keep an eye on your nearest trashcan, specially if you live near of a cybercafe or something like that May we remind why we still love Creative? There was actually more sound cards - this was just the first shelf . I bargained with the person at the cash register, and got an SB16 for $2+tax . This was like 4 years ago, and the amount of junk these people get just keeps building up www.weirdstuff.com/sunnyvale/html/index.htm just 20 minutes away from home, 5 minutes away from work
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Post by Tom Maneiro on Jul 9, 2010 22:00:08 GMT -5
Crap, i miss the good ol' days at the lab And for making things worse, cybercafes are nearly non-existant on my town now, so it's almost impossible to find trashcans with worthy treasures. Damn you, bastard DSL/3G modems! (note to myself: try to track a junkyard in this so-called "city" ) Curiously, i was reading about discrete soundcards on tech review sites, and sadly, the competition has reduced to THIS: - Onboard HD audio codecs (!!!) - Creative X-Fi (EMU/CA20K1/2) - C-Media Oxygen HD (CMI8788, AKA Asus AVx00) - VIA/ICEnsemble Envy24/Tremor (VT17xx, AKA VIA Vinyl Audio) ... and that's all! Folks, the glorious age of the independent soundcards is over. Gamers today no longer care about crystal-clear surround sound with pure HW FM/wavetable synthesis, they only want more shitty FPS from their RadeonForces XHD600000GTX Nitro Back in '90s we used to have a truckload of brands, from duds to Creatives. Today, well... it's sad. (UPDATE: VIA still makes the ancient Envy24 line.... but nobody seems to be building them into soundcards these days, save for a couple of niche models)
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Post by GiGaBiTe on Sept 12, 2010 1:53:49 GMT -5
Also, if it was the motherboard that shat on my SB16, then I'll be pissed. So which soundcard do you want ? Think you can find me a 486 motherboard in decent condition with PCI slots and 4 x 72 pin SIMM slots? People in California have all the good stuff
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